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16 October 2005

 

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When a Conservative can't win an argument, or is shown up as sorely lacking in the catagory of Political Science, you can expect your comment to be deleted. That's exactly what happened at "The Political Teen" this weekend. Observe:

America has always had a Fascist Right. They sit there festering awaiting a troubled time in America when they can rise up and cause real havoc like they did in Germany in the 20’s and 30’s. It CAN happen here. Believe it.

Comment by steve donohue — October 15, 2005 @ 3:58 pm
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Actually, these Nazi’s are from the ‘Socialist Party’. So you should classify them as the Socialist Left.

Also these Nazi’s make up a small minority in America. The current circumstances in America is nothing like the Germany in the 30’s. Sit your socialist, America-hating self down.

Comment by Ian — October 15, 2005 @ 4:02 pm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This bickering over labels is completely pointless. They can call themselves Socialist or whatever, but that does not make them so. If you’re trying to accuse the liberals of supporting Nazis than I might just lose all respect for you. Maybe we should take a poll among those Nazis to see who the voted for in the last election, then we’d know for sure where their loyalties stand.

Comment by J — October 15, 2005 @ 4:24 pm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Wait guys. Time for a history lesson. The name of Hitler’s Nazi Party was “National Socialist”. They were not left. They killed and imprisoned people on the left. The further left you were the more he hated you. These neo-nazis are the Fascist Right. They love all thing Nazi. They hate Jews and Blacks. They believe whites are superior. Just like Hitler did. No what is left of Socialism is Communism NOT Fascism. It is important that these differences are understood. I am sure that the Right Wing will run into some Fascists long before a Socialist would. You have to be able to understand the kind of cancer they can be on the Right in order to prevent them from some day co-opting part or all of the Conservative Movement.

Comment by steve donohue — October 15, 2005 @ 4:46 pm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Rail all you like Ian it doesn’t change the truth. Do yourself a little favor and look it up. Study it. What I have said is true. Like you said to me all the left is the same,liberals, socialists, communists they are all the same to you. But that is not good enough. Ignorance is not bliss it is just plain ignorance. I differentiate among elements on the Left and so should you.

I differentiate among moderate right, center right and extreme right. So should you. The extreme right has within it the neo-nazi movement and white supremicists. It should be clear that the vast majority of those on the Right are not nazi or Fascist. However, you must understand there are elements of the Right that are just as distasteful as you find elements on the Left to be.

If you are going to operate a political blog you must learn about these different political flavors. You owe it to yourself and your fellow bloggers. I don’t mind being called a liberal or socialist but I am not on the extreme Left(Communist). I am sure you don’t want all Conservatives to be labelled Fascists or neo-nazis either so lets get our labels understood and get them correct or else disagreements begin to sound like extremes that never meet. Believe me our disagreements are not that extreme. I agree with some of the things I read regularly and people are agreeing with some of my observations as well.

Comment by steve donohue — October 15, 2005 @ 5:48 pm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Like you said to me all the left is the same,liberals, socialists, communists they are all the same to you.

That’s because they are. The three associate with each other. On the other hand I don’t see Nazi’s and right-wingers associating with each other. When is the last time you saw Bill Frist wearing a swastika.

Anyways, Democrats are the ones who associate with racists anyways. Ever hear of a Senator named Robert Byrd who used the term “white niggers” and was a former Klansman?

Please just keep your mouth shut, because the more you speak the more you sound like a hypocrite.

Comment by Ian — October 15, 2005 @ 5:54 pm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

There is a lot of confusion about the “Socialist” part of the Nazi party. And about “fascist”. but the distinction is mostly fake.

In Germany National Socialists contended that the older socialist and communist parties had undermined the WWI effort. And it was true that those parties theoretically held that modern war came from the rich competing for markets - hence the worker had no reason to support any militarism or nation.

But the Nazi also had to appeal to Germans long held values of order, strength, and social bonding. So “National Socialism” was sold as the party purged of foreign ideas. And, importantly, free of the new Communist Russia.

But make no mistake, the Nazi program was that all industry and people served the state. I would call it Statism.

Mussolini’s Fascist Party in Italy preceded Hitler to power by a decade. Mussolini had been a communist but saw that he would not take power if he stayed with a movement that attacked the Catholic church and had the vague idea that everything was to be run by workers committees trying to interpret complex doctrines.

Fascist is a word going back to Roman times. It denoted strength and justice through unity and a firm order in society. The party also gained control of all large industry and finance but they used persuasion, threats, fake legal charges, and beatings rather than nationalization.

So the Fascists were gangsters - socialists not in form but in function. The Nazi are better regarded as nationalist gangsters who used “Socialist” because it sounded good in elections.

Except in details, the programs of Stalin and Hitler look the same to me. Mussolini was somewhat different; he continued to obey the party for years, lost office, and ended as Hitler’s pawn - in control of nothing.

The Nazi and Fascist words get attached to the right because the right is associated with business and private property.

Thus the right, if forced to choose, will favor a strong government that does not seize businesses and abolish private property. They abhor the strong forms of socialism that would take all business and sometimes every iota of personal property.

Comment by K — October 15, 2005 @ 6:55 pm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [my deleted comment] Ian: Not only would you not pass a political science course with the mistaken notion the National Socialist Nazi’s were left of center you’ve also fallen for the oldest trick in the Republican play book with Senator Byrd. Byrd was one of the only Dixiecrats that didn’t flee to the Republican party after the two parties played musical chairs in the wake of the Civil Rights legislation of the mid 60’s. While not exactly a DINO like Zell Miller, Byrd occasionally spouts talking points as a Democrat, simply because he’s a power hungry old bastard. Not because he believes in any of it. I think the numbers in 2004 election say it all. Although the Republicans made some gains among certain segments of the minority community based on their family value rhetoric, the vast majority of minorities vote Democrat. Why? Just study Neal Boortz, Bill Bennet, and Trent Lott Comment by Fred — October 15, 2005 @ 7:27 pm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ian, don't dish it if you can't take it.

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